Gemini Is almost Done

[ONLYA4]

Gene, forward the email to me passive_necro@hotmail.com
cheers

[rod]

yeh send 1 here aswell please

ROdneymc18@hotmail.com

[Gemini Driving Yobbo]

**cough cough**

[DOHC Pano]

lukec@hrs.au.com

[ONLYA4]

someone send them to me, passive_necro@hotmail.com

[CoupEME]

Just Sent you guys all pics sorry about the state of them still learning how to use my camera.

Thanks

[rod]

hav u got msn???
if not, why dont u get it? just so that u can chat too some off us...

p.s. somebody send me those V6 conversion pics...

[Gene FJ20DET]

i do have it. i tell everone to add me all teh time

dr_boom13@hotmail.com
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[CoupEME]

Not any more!!!

[rod]

oh ok.. i was trying too add in
the nismogemini one

[Gene FJ20DET]

HAHAHAHA. i can see that
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[Adam]

I'm interested in the hopper's kit, I assume there is a bracket to adapt the VT caliper onto the gemini stub axle? I've got the rotors, calipers and pads at work. Did you change to a larger master cylinder?
How did you find them customer-service wise?
Any thoughts, comments, storys, suggestions?

[Gemini Driving Yobbo]

cheers for the pics dude

looks like uve been a busy beaver

[Gene FJ20DET]

heres some info i got on the,
cheers gene
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hey, i was told that you do brake upgrades for rear wheel drive geminis.
>just wondering whats included in the kit, does it bolt straight on, and
>also
>how much are they??
>- wil i need a new master
>- what state are your in?? postage avalable?
>thanx heaps
>gene
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Gene
>Hello
>thanks for your enquiry.
>yes we do a front 290 and 300mm conversion for Gemini,s.
>Once you see how its done you will wonder why no one did it before.
>
>As you might have seen , the new type of commodore rotors ,being the 290mm
>by 22 VR/VS and the 300mm by 28.5 VT/VX are a hat type rotor which mounts
>on
>a separate hub.
>
>To fit these to a Gemini we make a machined K1045 steel hub which has the
>inside dimensions to take the std Gemini bearings and seals and the correct
>outer profile to carry the rotor.
>This allows us to sit the rotor as far in as possible and put the caliper
>where it fits best.
>In this case the best position actually put the caliper straight on the
>existing original caliper mounts with only a slight slotting of the VT
>caliper holes and it all bolted on.
>
>As it turned out everything clears the twin piston VT caliper but a small
>5mm spacer is needed to stop the lower control arm touching on full lock,
>you lose a little bit of turning circle but thats all.There is as small
>increase in wheel offset at 1cm per side but only a problem if you have
>wheels already nearly touching the mudguards.Min 15 inch wheels needed.
>
>We do this 300mm kit complete with calipers ,pads ,adapter hubs, rotors,
>bearings, seals and brake hoses all ready to go in two styles,
>
>4 stud for std gemini stud pattern at $770 with smooth rotors ,$990 with
>slotted and $1030 gold drilled and slotted.
>5 stud commodore pattern at $690 smooth , $910 slotted and $950 d/s.
>
>For 4 stud we start with blank VX rotor and only drill the 4 holes hence
>the
>extra cost.
>
>For master cyl you will have to change to a 1 inch unit.
>If you can retain your booster there is a Ford master which bolts on with
>small mods and a bit of a repipe,this works well.
>If you are going V6/V8 or will have to lose the existing booster to clear a
>turbo we have a nice small 1 inch tandem master which works with a remote
>VH40 type booster .It then becomes a bit of a juggle to get compatible rear
>brakes but thats what happens when modifying to this extent.
>
>We have all combinations in stock, but for the 4 stud we need to know the
>wheel centre size as this can vary and we may need to turn this down so the
>wheel will go on.
>Can take orders by credit card,or money order, its a bit heavy for COD
>post,freight to most places $40 by road.
>
>Get back to me if you need more info.
> Regards Peter Koning
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just wondering if u have tryed DBA221 undrilled disks or audi 4x100 disks??
i have seen thes used and they bolt straight to the gemini stub. then VB-VP
calapers slightly moded to fit on.

i am pritty keen for the $770 set, i juust need the cash now, didnt think
they woould be that much. would the VX calapers suit the DBA disk? if so
would u just sell the calapers with all the brakets and gear and no disk or
stub?

cheers GENE
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Gene
As you have seen there are often many ways people find to solve problems,
some look good on the surface but for those of us in the business see
problems in finer details that make us think again.
The use of a DBA 221 (TM magna rotor) will not be as easy as it sounds. It
is a hat type rotor like the Commodore and will still need a special hub.If
they removed the std gemini rotor from the std gem hub and just sat the
Magna rotor in its place you get all sorts of centralization problems and
special machining which the customer has to arrange and make sure is
right.(Over which we have no control)It also has to bought blank and drilled
etc.
The magna rotor is also too thick and would need the pads and cast brackets
filed thinner to go over.There are similar problems with other rotors.

Therefore our philosphy is to make everything as bolt on as possible and
leave nothing for the customer to get wrong.

The Vt rotors and calipers are also readily available so that does allow us
to sell only the hubs provided they are to be 5 stud. If the client wants 4
stud we are not happy about redilling amongst all the existing holes so we
must start with blanks. (this is a stipulation of our Engineer who does our
RTA approvals)

Our hubs are K1045 high carbon steel designed to do the job, not plain mild
steel.
We will sell a pair with bearings, seals, grease caps and studs in 5 stud
comm pattern At$390 a pair, and highly recommend you get our hoses at $88 a
pair.The caliper holes will need to slotted 1mm each but do not need a
bracket to bolt on.
regards Peter Koning
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>hey, i wrote u earlyer this year about front gemini brake upgrade, was just
>wondering if u did a full kit (front, rear and master upgrade??)
>cheers gene
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Hi
>since we last spoke have sold quite a few Gemini kits and can help with
>nearly everything but need to know more about your engine etc. ie do you
>have to move/ remove your booster.
>
>Basically we have the 300mm VX front kit always in stock in Gemini 4 stud
>and commodore 5 stud pattern min 15 inch wheels required.This bolts
>straight onto std gemini stub, only small thing to watch is wheel offset
>out
>by 1 cm per side, only a problem if the wheels are really close already.
>
>If you can keep your booster (not a V6 conversion) then an XB master P6258A
>will adapt with a small( 2.5mm )increase in push rod length to get correct
>master cyl preset. This is only for some boosters, others ok already.
>Booster then goes back upside down, and the 1 inch master bolts right on.
> .At this time you still have to repipe from master to prop valve to
>change
>from 10mm to 3/8 but we are still hoping to find adapter fittings to make
>this a bolt on, there is a part no for this but we keep getting sent the
>wrong stuff.
>
>If you have to remove the booster for engine clearance we have a 1 inch
>master that will go straight on the firewall and then this is piped to a
>VH40 remote booster front discs only or two VH40's if you have rear discs.
>All via you std prop valve for disc/drum .Rear wheel cyls need to be
>bigger
>to work without a booster, ie need to be min 7/8 suggest 15/16 or 1 inch is
>better unboosted but this is special order/make.
>
>For the diff we have a local guy doing comm diff kits into gemini, price
>according to spec, lsd, 4/5 stud etc.
>
>Its all a bit involved and we are soon to do a booklet which will have more
>specifics, with the details of this and our other kit and tricks to fit in
>the next few weeks.
>
>For now prices are
>4 stud smooth $770, slotted $990 gold drilled and slotted $1030
>
>5 stud smooth $690, $910 $950 repspectivley.
>
>P6258A is $220 when we can get them currently on back order, Special
>firewall master is $200 in stock.
>Change over booster $200 incl mods for above
>
>Regards Peter Koning
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for my gemini i have been playing around with a VL set up front and rear,
and was just wondering if you would sell a upgraded master by itself? i dont
need to move anythign to clear the engin (FJ20DET) aslong as i use a remote
reso'. how much would this be??

thank your
(sorry bout all the questions :S)
gene pokoj
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Hi
If you can keep your booster then the XB mastercyl will be good attached to
it.
The Xb master cyl (P6258A) has its outlets pointing to the mudguard so it
will clear ok, just extend the push rod on your booster if need be and turn
booster upside down to clear the vacuum valve, repipe to 3/8 ball seat
flares and down to the prop valve and any single and twin piston commodore
caliper will be happy.

This one is $220 and as I said currently out of stock but we can get a used
one reco/ss sleeved for same price if urgent

regards Peter
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[Gene FJ20DET]

R&D worthy?? lol
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